, and you can bet he's probably screaming in his apartment right now. i remember, actually, when i interviewed him shortly after, i think it was the day after she wore that gown, and he said, you know, i was inside my apartment eating a domino's pizza, and there she walked out in my white gown, and i was screaming, it's me, it's me. can you believe it's me? and it's that same level of surprise tonight. what a shock. honestly, someone who has covered fashion for a very long time, anderson, i have to tell you, i really did think she was going to give someone else a chance this time. but at the end of the day, she's a woman who wants to look and feel great on an important day in history, so she chose the gown that made her feel that way. that's why she came out tonight in jason wu. >> and in terms of his business, he's now -- he's designed furniture, designed, i think, stuff for target, i saw in your piece, and really, both very kind of high fashion and also more fashion that's accessible. >> he most certainly did. he did an extremely successful collection for target that was a one-sh